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Create average setlist for a tour

Calculating how often songs are played and their position in the setlist, an average setlist for the tour would be created.

I saw something like this being done during Radiohead's In Rainbows tour and I thought it was an interesting idea. I have no idea how hard to code this would be but it would be nice if we could.

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      • sfusseneggerAdminsfussenegger (Admin, setlist.fm) commented  · 

        Hi guys,

        We've finally looked at all your feedback and fixed some bugs. The average setlist should now be much more accurate than it was up to now. Additionally, there are now some additional statistics: top opener, main set closer, show closer and number of encores played (just beyond the average setlist).

        I consider this issue fixed now. If you feel that the average setlist isn't accurate in a situation, please report this in the forum (http://www.setlist.fm/forum/setlistfm/website-support). If you'd like additional features, feel free to open another ticket here on uservoice.

        Cheers, Stefan

      • Antoine V.Antoine V. commented  · 

        Counting Main Set and every single Encore separately might fix that

      • JohnTheBastardJohnTheBastard commented  · 

        Some feedback on performance of the Average Set List Generator (ASLG) feature.

        I've spent some time cleaning up the track listings for the Pixies Doolittle 20th Anniversary Tour, so all the tracks have consistent capitalization and so forth. This tour had a very consistent set list. There was an intro movie (Un chien andalou) and 19 songs comprising the primary performance, and then a first encore of 2 songs - that part of the set never changed across all 34 performances. The only variation came in the selection of songs played in the second encore performances.

        Currently the ASLG is putting the last track from the primary performance ("Gouge Away") as the first song of the first encore, which was never the case. Similarly, "Into the White" was always the second and last song of the first encore, but the ASLG lists it as the first song of the second encore.

        I have a theory for why this is happening: only about half of the shows have the introductory movie listed in the set (which might be appropriate, since it wasn't performed, per se), so the ASLG is probably taking an average number of tracks for the primary performance (~19.5) and rounding down, but then correctly placing the film at the beginning, so the ending tracks get bumped.

        Anyway, good work. I just found setlist.fm today and think its pretty cool, and I like the ASLG, despite whatever bugs it might have.

      • Antoine V.Antoine V. commented  · 

        It would be interesting to find a way to excluse festival setlists in the average setlists too since festival sets are almost always differents due to time limitation.

      • bigdaycomingbigdaycoming commented  · 

        I'm really liking this feature, I'll check some examples out and hopefully provide some feedback afterwards :)

      • seiboseibo commented  · 

        I think it is uselss. For example Metallica World Magnetic Tour. "Nothing Else Matters" and "Enter Sandman" are in the Encore of the average setlist. Both songs were never played in the Encore the whole tour.

      • Antoine V.Antoine V. commented  · 

        That's why I suggested being able to edit the tour dates at once instead of adding it date per date. It would save time, you'd just have to add a new tour, date of start and date of end.

        Also, I'd love to see tour legs added, for exemple : In Rainbows Tour (European Leg)

        That would be useful for average setlists as well since songs played sometimes differ from one leg to another inside the same tour.

      • sfusseneggerAdminsfussenegger (Admin, setlist.fm) commented  · 

        Hi guys, thanks for your feedback.

        @Beau what kind of inconsistencies do you see?

        @Antoine Currently, "the last tour" isn't that easy to determine from the current data, but it's definitely a nice thought.

        Anything, anybody else?

      • Antoine V.Antoine V. commented  · 

        Overall results are useless.
        Only average setlists by tour are interesting.

        I suggest the average setlist that appears when you'll click on the "average setlist" button should be the one from the last tour instead of the general one.

      • BeauBeau commented  · 

        I'm looking over the bands I mainly track (U2, DMB, Dir en grey), and I see a few inconsistencies in the overall results... individual tours look generally ok however.

      • sfusseneggerAdminsfussenegger (Admin, setlist.fm) commented  · 

        We're happy to announce that the first experiment is now online. You can access average setlists of each artist by replacing 'setlists' with 'average-setlists' in the URL of an artist's page. Sounds more complicated than it is, so here's an example: Change http://www.setlist.fm/setlists/radiohead-bd6bd12.html to http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/radiohead-bd6bd12.html

        Here are some direct links to get started:
        Metallica http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/metallica-3bd680c8.html
        DMB http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/dave-matthews-band-43d6e713.html
        Grateful Dead http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/grateful-dead-bd6ad4a.html
        Springsteen http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/bruce-springsteen-2bd6dcce.html
        U2 http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/u2-23d6b80f.html
        NIN http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/nine-inch-nails-1bd6a5bc.html
        Coldplay http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/coldplay-3d6bde3.html
        Oasis http://www.setlist.fm/average-setlists/oasis-bd6bd7e.html

        Please tell us what you think, especially if the average setlist doesn't feel quite right. E.g. if a band was always closing with the same song which isn't the last song in the average setlist. If you have further suggestions or questions, don't hesitate to comment right here.

        Have fun!

      • sfusseneggerAdminsfussenegger (Admin, setlist.fm) commented  · 

        Yeah, a really nice example ... although my eyes hurt after seeing this :) My solution is quite similar. It should be available by the end of this week.

      • georgethe23rdgeorgethe23rd commented  · 

        That looks perfect Antoine - a great find

      • Antoine V.Antoine V. commented  · 

        Here's the website I took for reference when I suggested this : http://www.ronaldvdberg.nl/RH2008TOUR/index.php

        The average setlist is calculated this way :
        - average number of songs played per concert is 25 (and so on with average songs played for both encores)
        - most 25 played songs are added to the average setlist
        - then those 25 songs are sorted by average position in the setlist.

      • sfusseneggerAdminsfussenegger (Admin, setlist.fm) commented  · 

        I just started to experiment with average setlists for artists/tours. It's hard to come up with something that really yields useful information. Any further input on how to calculate such an average setlist would be well appreciated.

        @Kenny Rasschaert
        if you're interested in other songs played at a tour, you can still have a look at the currently available tour stats, e.g. http://www.setlist.fm/stats/metallica-3bd680c8.html?tour=World+Magnetic

        @Aaron for the time being, we won't change the way we define a tour. Maybe, we'll implement something smarter in the future, but that's out of scope right now.

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